State of the Union...

**1inStripes** · January 28th, 2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by R13

Lmao you actually think they'll be winning back the House or Senate?

A majority maybe not, but I think the Republicans may get it in one or the other, if not it will be close in both is my guess. Its a typical cycle.

**Milk3** · January 28th, 2010, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by R13

Lmao you actually think they'll be winning back the House or Senate?

I didn't say they would win anything back. But they will win big in the coming elections and the Dems. super majority/closed door health care bill/ shady backdoor deals want go over as well as they are right now

**R13** · January 28th, 2010, 01:33 PM

You said they'd be running the show? Like stripes said, it'll be a typical cycle, nothing that big...a lot of GOP seats are up too, McCains for example. There was never a super majority, nothing closed door - reps are just rejecting just because. I'll ask again, what's the GOP plan that's better than the current dem one in Senate? It's the best for this nation, the GOP is just being the party of "NO", without having any plan.

**Counts** · January 28th, 2010, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by R13

There was never a super majority, nothing closed door

Really?

HC was an epic fail for the adminastration the Dems could have passed HC with zero help from the Rs but COULD NOT DO IT

Bush started his 2nd term with a simular failure (SS) we will have to wait and see if Obama ends up in a simular situation

IMHO I think that there will be a big shift in the elections this year however I also belive that by 12 things will be better economy wise (Reguardless of which party is in power) which will favor incumbants in there races

**R13** · January 28th, 2010, 03:13 PM

Nope there wasn't.

And you're talking like it's over? HC reform will pass, most will agree with that, there won't be an option...but it will pass. So don't know where you're getting the failure part?

**1inStripes** · January 28th, 2010, 03:15 PM

When do you think HC will pass? I dont see either of the current options getting thru right now.

**Milk3** · January 28th, 2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by R13

You said they'd be running the show? Like stripes said, it'll be a typical cycle, nothing that big...a lot of GOP seats are up too, McCains for example. There was never a super majority, nothing closed door - reps are just rejecting just because. I'll ask again, what's the GOP plan that's better than the current dem one in Senate? It's the best for this nation, the GOP is just being the party of "NO", without having any plan.

The Dems have drafted most of the HC bill behind closed doors without the Rep. even being aloud. And what about all the HC stuff being on C-SPAN ? haha

**R13** · January 28th, 2010, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

When do you think HC will pass? I dont see either of the current options getting thru right now.

Sometime this year hopefully, I believe so anyway. I don't doubt it will be changed some, but as long as some of the major pieces of it get through, I won't really mind.

Originally Posted by Milk3

The Dems have drafted most of the HC bill behind closed doors without the Rep. even being aloud. And what about all the HC stuff being on C-SPAN ? haha

Huhhh? Not being allowed to? Bull. And some negotiations have been on CSPAN, the usual big ones have been behind closed doors(like it's always been), WITH BOTH PARTIES.

**Counts** · January 28th, 2010, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by R13

the usual big ones have been behind closed doors(like it's always been), WITH BOTH PARTIES.

The differance was Obama promised that would NOT be the case.....That being said there is not a great deal of differance in the 2 partys and I HOPE that it is something that will one day CHANGE however I do not think that it will LOL

**Milk3** · January 29th, 2010, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Counts

The difference was Obama promised that would NOT be the case.....

Exactly! Obama has promised a couple of things that haven't happened... HC being passed, and when was Gitmo supposed to be closed? oh that's right... that deadline already passed.

What about the 5 days of public comment before passing a bill? There's been atleast one bill Obama signed within 2 days of the Senate agreeing on the final language and putting in on his desk. The Ledbetter Act
What about doubling the money for after school programs? That didn't happen either. The spending for 2010 is only 3 percent higher... last i checked that's not double

What about a rule in congress saying companies that are bankrupt can't give big bonuses to their big guys? We are still wait for that to even be proposed.

What about giving enemy combatants habeas corpus rights? Thank God he wasn't done that yet.

And my favorite... "Communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff [will be] disclosed to the public." Obama said this... hahaha thats's the funniest thing i've heard yet. All they've done is release visitor logs, which are 100 days old or older when they are released. That's still a big difference from "regulatory policymaking".

How about this promise from Obama's website... "No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration." Organizing for America | BarackObama.com | Ethics ... one example is William Lynn. He was a lobbyist for Raytheon. What does Raytheon do? They develop defense technology. What position is the former lobbyist Lynn guy holding? He's a top operations manager at the Pentagon and he decides who the U.S contracts for defense technology and the budget for such programs. He was last a lobbyist just one year before he got the job.

Shall I go on ?